Who killed CJ's mother?

[rt lange]

i finished all of the main storyline missions.
did i miss something ... i don't remember finding out.
wasn't this the whole point of the game?
that's what alot of the reviews say.

[cleve]

Post by rt lange
i finished all of the main storyline missions.
did i miss something ... i don't remember finding out.
wasn't this the whole point of the game?
that's what alot of the reviews say.

My guess is that Smoke and/or Ryder did it. Living at the heart of the
Grove Family, she probably stumbled upon their schemes early on, and they
took her out to shut her up. Just a guess. (CJ's brother Brian, too,
right?)

Yeah. They should have made it clear.

--cleve

[cje]

Post by cleve

Post by rt lange
i finished all of the main storyline missions.
did i miss something ... i don't remember finding out.
wasn't this the whole point of the game?
that's what alot of the reviews say.

My guess is that Smoke and/or Ryder did it. Living at the heart of the
Grove Family, she probably stumbled upon their schemes early on, and they
took her out to shut her up. Just a guess. (CJ's brother Brian, too,
right?)

It *was* Smoke and Ryder. There is a mission pretty early on in the
game (forget which one it is) where some of the in-car dialogue on the
way to the mission start point involves the death of CJ's mother. At
that time, Sweet says something about "a green Sabre" seen fleeing the
scene of the crime. Then, of course, when you actually get to "The
Green Sabre" mission, it's Smoke and Ryder (along with some Ballas) that
are at the Sabre.

That's how I understood it, anyway. You're right, though .. it could
have been explained a lot better.

[heretic]

and remember how either Smoke or Ryder (I forget which) said something
about how the information about a green saber isn't reliable and anyway
there could be hundreds of people with green saber's? I don't think
there's any question that they did it. maybe because she found out about
their deal with Tenpenny and the Ballas, or maybe to get Sweet to do
something stupid and end up getting him out the way, leaving them with
pretty much undisputed control over Grove Street

Post by cje

Post by cleve

Post by rt lange
i finished all of the main storyline missions.
did i miss something ... i don't remember finding out.
wasn't this the whole point of the game?
that's what alot of the reviews say.

My guess is that Smoke and/or Ryder did it. Living at the heart of the
Grove Family, she probably stumbled upon their schemes early on, and they
took her out to shut her up. Just a guess. (CJ's brother Brian, too,
right?)

It *was* Smoke and Ryder. There is a mission pretty early on in the
game (forget which one it is) where some of the in-car dialogue on the
way to the mission start point involves the death of CJ's mother. At
that time, Sweet says something about "a green Sabre" seen fleeing the
scene of the crime. Then, of course, when you actually get to "The
Green Sabre" mission, it's Smoke and Ryder (along with some Ballas) that
are at the Sabre.
That's how I understood it, anyway. You're right, though .. it could
have been explained a lot better.

[Chris Brown]

Post by cje
It *was* Smoke and Ryder. There is a mission pretty early on in the
game (forget which one it is) where some of the in-car dialogue on the
way to the mission start point involves the death of CJ's mother. At
that time, Sweet says something about "a green Sabre" seen fleeing the
scene of the crime. Then, of course, when you actually get to "The
Green Sabre" mission, it's Smoke and Ryder (along with some Ballas) that
are at the Sabre.

...and Tenpenny.

Post by cje
That's how I understood it, anyway. You're right, though .. it could
have been explained a lot better.

I don't know - I always find it very irritating when films spell the plot
out, on the assumption that their audience is stupid, or has too short an
attention span, and this is really no different. I guess that R* assumed
that if you cared sufficiently about the plot, you'd have been paying
attention anyway, and if not, it doesn't really detract from the game.

[cleve]

Post by Chris Brown
I don't know - I always find it very irritating when films spell the plot
out, on the assumption that their audience is stupid, or has too short an
attention span, and this is really no different.

Absolutely. I agree. I failed to remember the green Sabre mention. (See
my other reply.)

Yeah. I'd rather not have it spelled out -- even if I look dumb later,
trying to figure it out.

--cleve

[LycraFan]

I think it's right at the beginning of the Drive Thru mission. CJ's asking
about his mom, and Ryder says something to the effect "they seen a green
Sabre doing the works"

Post by cleve
Absolutely. I agree. I failed to remember the green Sabre mention. (See
my other reply.)

[cleve]

Post by LycraFan
I think it's right at the beginning of the Drive Thru mission. CJ's asking
about his mom, and Ryder says something to the effect "they seen a green
Sabre doing the works"

Right. I replayed the beginning missions to that point to see it again. (I
think it was Sweet that mentioned the car, though.)

--cleve

[HLBlueShift]

The answer to that question can be found by watching the "Homecoming" DVD that
comes with the OST...Or by scrolling down.












Random Balla's Gang Members.

tr0r

[Rob White]

Post by HLBlueShift
The answer to that question can be found by watching the "Homecoming" DVD that
comes with the OST...Or by scrolling down.

I didn't get a DVD with my OST, WTF?

And I'm *really* disappointed that Guns And Roses' 'Welcome To The
Jungle' (As heard on the TV advert and Radio X) isn't on the OST either.

Hmmph :o(

Rob

[Neil]

Post by Rob White

Post by HLBlueShift
The answer to that question can be found by watching the "Homecoming" DVD that
comes with the OST...Or by scrolling down.

I didn't get a DVD with my OST, WTF?
And I'm *really* disappointed that Guns And Roses' 'Welcome To The
Jungle' (As heard on the TV advert and Radio X) isn't on the OST either.
Hmmph :o(
Rob

[HLBlueShift]

You onlygot the DVD with the double disc set, which is pretty sucky of R*
meaning you have to buy both sets to get everything.

And I'm very suprisedWelcome to the Jungle aint on either OST, given that it
was used for everything and Axl himself was in the game..

GNR Forever!

tr0r

[MF]

G n R rocks dumbass.

Post by Rob White

Post by HLBlueShift
The answer to that question can be found by watching the "Homecoming" DVD that
comes with the OST...Or by scrolling down.

I didn't get a DVD with my OST, WTF?
And I'm *really* disappointed that Guns And Roses' 'Welcome To The
Jungle' (As heard on the TV advert and Radio X) isn't on the OST either.
Hmmph :o(
Rob

[Stuart Lemora]

Post by MF
G n R rocks dumbass.

Well done. Very constructive.

Stuart

p.s. Top posting gives you crabs.

[rt lange]

Post by Chris Brown
I don't know - I always find it very irritating when films spell the
plot out, on the assumption that their audience is stupid, or has too
short an attention span, and this is really no different. I guess that
R* assumed that if you cared sufficiently about the plot, you'd have
been paying attention anyway, and if not, it doesn't really detract
from the game.

but when we finally get our revenge on smoke and ryder we don't mention
anything about our dearly departed moms?
there's a difference between spelling a plot out and creating
a proper denouement.

[cleve]

Post by rt lange
but when we finally get our revenge on smoke and ryder we don't mention
anything about our dearly departed moms?
there's a difference between spelling a plot out and creating
a proper denouement.

Hmm. Yes, I agree they we're a little TOO subtle. You'd think, at the end,
CJ would have told Smoke, "This is for Moms, you bastard," or something to
that effect.

--cleve

[cje]

Post by cleve

Post by rt lange
but when we finally get our revenge on smoke and ryder we don't mention
anything about our dearly departed moms?
there's a difference between spelling a plot out and creating
a proper denouement.

Hmm. Yes, I agree they we're a little TOO subtle. You'd think, at the end,
CJ would have told Smoke, "This is for Moms, you bastard," or something to
that effect.

Specifics about storyline elements of the final San Andreas mission
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It almost seems like some of the plot and storyline elements for San
Andreas were in flux, even up to the point where the dialogue was being
recorded. The cutscene after you defeat Big Smoke is a perfect example
of this. It seemed a bit odd and disjointed. CJ does not seem angry
or vengeful at all. In fact, if anything, he's the exact opposite:
regretful and conciliatory. He leans gently over Smoke and asks
something to the effect of "Damn, man, how'd things get so messed up?"

If I was heavily-armed and standing over the body of a guy who had
killed many of my friends, had been responsible for the death of my
mother, had attempted to kill the rest of my family, and had sold out
his entire world in the name of everything that I was opposed to, then I
would probably give him the same treatment that Don Barzini's thugs gave
to Sonny Corleone in "The Godfather", including the kick to the face. :)

It's not likely that the murder of CJ's mother was intentional (it was
actually a botched assassination attempt on Sweet, or so we're told),
but that would not exactly redeem Smoke in my eyes! And yet CJ is
talking to Smoke using basically the same tone that he was using five or
six missions into the game. It just seemed a bit .. odd.

Or maybe we should just shut up, stop over-analyzing things, and just
play the damn game. :)

[cleve]

Post by cje
It *was* Smoke and Ryder. There is a mission pretty early on in the
game (forget which one it is) where some of the in-car dialogue on the
way to the mission start point involves the death of CJ's mother. At
that time, Sweet says something about "a green Sabre" seen fleeing the
scene of the crime.

Aha! That's it. I don't remember the part about the green Sabre fleeing
the scene. And, later on, when we see the car, I was baffled by its
significance.

Now both things make sense. That's cool.

Thanks.

--cleve

[Keith H]

Post by cleve

Post by cje
It *was* Smoke and Ryder. There is a mission pretty early on in the
game (forget which one it is) where some of the in-car dialogue on the
way to the mission start point involves the death of CJ's mother. At
that time, Sweet says something about "a green Sabre" seen fleeing the
scene of the crime.

Aha! That's it. I don't remember the part about the green Sabre fleeing
the scene. And, later on, when we see the car, I was baffled by its
significance.
Now both things make sense. That's cool.
Thanks.
--cleve

I think part of the reason was that it was in mission dialouge.
Sometimes you miss bits of the conversation unless you concentrate on it
real well. I missed the significance of the green Sabre until I played
through a second time.

[cje]

Post by Keith H

Post by cleve
Aha! That's it. I don't remember the part about the green Sabre fleeing
the scene. And, later on, when we see the car, I was baffled by its
significance.
Now both things make sense. That's cool.

I think part of the reason was that it was in mission dialouge.
Sometimes you miss bits of the conversation unless you concentrate on it
real well. I missed the significance of the green Sabre until I played
through a second time.

Same here. The first time I played through the missions, I was probably
too busy bringing up the map and/or concentrating on the street layout
to pay full attention to what the characters in the car were saying. On
the second run through, I already knew the layout and where I was going
and was more free to listen to what they were saying.

There might be a lesson for Rockstar here. In-car conversation is all
well and good, but it might be better to leave important plot points to
"proper" cutscenes. The significance of the green Sabre is somewhat
underplayed, IMHO.

[Chris Brown]

Post by rt lange
i finished all of the main storyline missions.
did i miss something ... i don't remember finding out.
wasn't this the whole point of the game?
that's what alot of the reviews say.

Er, you find out who killed her during "The Green Sabre", which is the
mission before you leave Los Santos. The whole point of the rest of the game
is that you're avenging her death...

[Gavin Clayton]

Post by rt lange
i finished all of the main storyline missions.
did i miss something ... i don't remember finding out.
wasn't this the whole point of the game?

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You find out quite early, in the last Los Santos mission "Green
Sabre". You find out that Big Smoke and Ryder are working with
Tenpenny and the Ballas, and are hiding the green Sabre that was used
for the funeral drive-by that killed CJ's mom.

Once you know these guys are betraying the Orange Grove families, the
San Fierro section of the game is all about investigating Big Smoke's
crack business, and everyone involved in it. This section of the game
culminates in killing Ryder.

The end of the game is about going straight to Big Smoke, who now has
a big crack operation, and killing him. That's the revenge for CJ's
mom's murder.


Gavin Clayton